Of the many and varied excuses given by Carmarthenshire Council concerning the newly imposed restrictions to access to the public gallery, this one is particularly imaginative. A member of the public who attended the meeting on the 13th July made a complaint in that the procedure was intrusive, humiliating, and at best, unwelcoming. The complainant also stated that, like everyone else who has followed the #daftarrest story, they were well aware of the Council's 'reasoning' behind it all but questioned the justification of a blanket approach. Further queries have also been asked by others with regards to the fire and safety assessments for members of the public under the 'new arrangements', so far the response has been inadequate to say the least.
you would almost think they believe it themselves;
"In accordance with fire regulations and the security of the building and its staff it is necessary, as with every large building accommodating a large number of staff (be it public or private sector) to maintain a record of every visitor entering and leaving the building.
In the event of a fire the designated fire safety manager has an up to date record of how many visitors there are within the building and where they are located so that a proper head count is undertaken and the information passed on to the attending Fire Officer. The building also has to be secure to safeguard staff and their belongings, the visitors log and security doors provide information on who was in the building at the time an event occurred and where they went within the building. You will also notice that there are CCTV cameras in the foyer to assist with this aspect.
Maintaining the security of County Hall is therefore not "unique to Wales " for the reasons outlined above.
The reason why members of the public have to be accompanied to and from the public gallery by staff is purely to provide access through 2 sets of security doors which also act as Fire Doors. I must reiterate the fact that the Council is not preventing any member of the public from attending a meeting of the Council or its committees to observe the proceedings but as is the case in Parliament, Welsh Assembly Government and the other 22 Unitary Councils in Wales, the Council does not and is not required under the Law to allow members of the public to record or film the proceedings of meetings. The Council also has to consider the human rights of individuals who are being filmed against their wishes.
The statement that is provided to members of the public to read at the reception desk merely points out the conditions for attendance in the public gallery and the signed undertaking confirms that person's agreement to abide by those conditions, no more no less."
So there you have it, the restictions were imposed because of fire regulations. Nothing to do with 'anything else' then - despite the fact that the external door to access the gallery has been open during public meetings since time immemorial and no member of the public has ever had to sign in, read laminated warnings on filming, sign undertakings or be 'escorted' to the gallery etc.... ever. If the undertaking is required as an agreement of attendance surely it should contain a variety of conditions? Disruptive activities such as heckling, playing loud music, cooking, or swinging from the chandeliers could also be mentioned but it is only the peaceful 'policy-less' activity of filming which is.
It is also odd that the Council is mentioning the human rights of those being filmed 'against their wishes' - clearly that doesn't apply to the CCTV camera in the foyer then? Then again, in my experience, human rights are not a Carmarthenshire Council strong point.
As for the issue of filming, that will be a question for the Autumn Term. I can imagine, probably not all that long ago, when the thorny and controversial issue to trouble our Council was whether quills should be replaced by the technologically alarming ballpoint pen, (some of our Councillors can probably recollect the fierce debates), especially given it's anti-democratic, disruptive and worrying capability to 'write quickly'.
http://carmarthenplanning.blogspot.com/2011/07/locked-out.html
you would almost think they believe it themselves;
"In accordance with fire regulations and the security of the building and its staff it is necessary, as with every large building accommodating a large number of staff (be it public or private sector) to maintain a record of every visitor entering and leaving the building.
In the event of a fire the designated fire safety manager has an up to date record of how many visitors there are within the building and where they are located so that a proper head count is undertaken and the information passed on to the attending Fire Officer. The building also has to be secure to safeguard staff and their belongings, the visitors log and security doors provide information on who was in the building at the time an event occurred and where they went within the building. You will also notice that there are CCTV cameras in the foyer to assist with this aspect.
Maintaining the security of County Hall is therefore not "unique to Wales " for the reasons outlined above.
The reason why members of the public have to be accompanied to and from the public gallery by staff is purely to provide access through 2 sets of security doors which also act as Fire Doors. I must reiterate the fact that the Council is not preventing any member of the public from attending a meeting of the Council or its committees to observe the proceedings but as is the case in Parliament, Welsh Assembly Government and the other 22 Unitary Councils in Wales, the Council does not and is not required under the Law to allow members of the public to record or film the proceedings of meetings. The Council also has to consider the human rights of individuals who are being filmed against their wishes.
The statement that is provided to members of the public to read at the reception desk merely points out the conditions for attendance in the public gallery and the signed undertaking confirms that person's agreement to abide by those conditions, no more no less."
So there you have it, the restictions were imposed because of fire regulations. Nothing to do with 'anything else' then - despite the fact that the external door to access the gallery has been open during public meetings since time immemorial and no member of the public has ever had to sign in, read laminated warnings on filming, sign undertakings or be 'escorted' to the gallery etc.... ever. If the undertaking is required as an agreement of attendance surely it should contain a variety of conditions? Disruptive activities such as heckling, playing loud music, cooking, or swinging from the chandeliers could also be mentioned but it is only the peaceful 'policy-less' activity of filming which is.
It is also odd that the Council is mentioning the human rights of those being filmed 'against their wishes' - clearly that doesn't apply to the CCTV camera in the foyer then? Then again, in my experience, human rights are not a Carmarthenshire Council strong point.
As for the issue of filming, that will be a question for the Autumn Term. I can imagine, probably not all that long ago, when the thorny and controversial issue to trouble our Council was whether quills should be replaced by the technologically alarming ballpoint pen, (some of our Councillors can probably recollect the fierce debates), especially given it's anti-democratic, disruptive and worrying capability to 'write quickly'.
http://carmarthenplanning.blogspot.com/2011/07/locked-out.html

